Cronache della loudness war (thread unico)

[UpTo11]

 

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 Analyzed: Barn /  Artist: Neil Young & Crazy Horse
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DR    Peak    RMS    Duration    Title [codec]
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 DR13     -2.26 dB     -18.66 dB    6:04    01 - Song Of The Seasons      [flac]
 DR12     -0.00 dB     -13.47 dB    3:22    02 - Heading West      [flac]
 DR13     -0.00 dB     -14.63 dB    2:53    03 - Change Ain't Never Gonna      [flac]
 DR11     -1.53 dB     -14.14 dB    3:12    04 - Canerican      [flac]
 DR12     -2.17 dB     -16.23 dB    2:55    05 - Shape Of You      [flac]
 DR15     -3.38 dB     -20.76 dB    4:32    06 - They Might Be Lost      [flac]
 DR11     -1.28 dB     -13.48 dB    4:14    07 - Human Race      [flac]
 DR14     -1.76 dB     -18.24 dB    3:19    08 - Tumblin' Thru The Years      [flac]
 DR11     -2.23 dB     -18.18 dB    8:27    09 - Welcome Back      [flac]
 DR12     -2.92 dB     -19.24 dB    3:48    10 - Don't Forget Love      [flac]
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 Number of files:    10
 Official DR value:  DR12

 Sampling rate:          44100 Hz
 Average bitrate:          816 kbs
 Bits per sample:          16 bit
 

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[Jackhomo]

DR 2...ma suona esattamente com'è stato concepito 🙂

 

 

Analyzed: Low / HEY WHAT
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR2       -0.10 dB    -5.90 dB      5:04 01-White Horses
DR2       -0.10 dB    -5.64 dB      4:02 02-I Can Wait
DR2       -0.10 dB    -4.92 dB      5:15 03-All Night
DR1       -0.10 dB    -3.56 dB      3:32 04-Disappearing
DR2       -0.10 dB    -5.40 dB      7:41 05-Hey
DR3       -0.10 dB    -5.34 dB      5:21 06-Days Like These
DR2       -0.10 dB    -3.07 dB      1:52 07-There’s a Comma After Still
DR3       -0.10 dB    -4.16 dB      4:07 08-Don’t Walk Away
DR2       -0.10 dB    -3.07 dB      2:11 09-More
DR2       -0.10 dB    -3.78 dB      7:08 10-The Price You Pay (It Must Be Wearing Off)
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Number of tracks:  10
Official DR value: DR2

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           1023 kbps
Codec:             ALAC

 

[Progressive]

No vabè... Ma che album è? Lo sto ascoltando, sento solo gracchiare 😅

[Jackhomo]

A mio avviso tra i migliori del 2021

[one4seven]

@Progressive

 

Ti consiglio, dello stessa band, di ascoltare questo > https://www.ondarock.it/pietremiliari/low_icould.htm

Gran disco, e decisamente non gracchia... 😄

 

foobar2000 1.5 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2020-08-04 02:13:33

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Analyzed: Low / I Could Live In Hope
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10       0.00 dB   -12.98 dB      5:50 01-Words
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.71 dB      2:17 02-Fear
DR10       0.00 dB   -14.07 dB      5:48 03-Cut
DR11       0.00 dB   -13.72 dB      3:52 04-Slide
DR10       0.00 dB   -11.90 dB      5:40 05-Lazy
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.90 dB      9:51 06-Lullaby
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.28 dB      1:51 07-Sea
DR13       0.00 dB   -17.42 dB      7:29 08-Down
DR10       0.00 dB   -12.69 dB      5:17 09-Drag
DR10       0.00 dB   -14.27 dB      6:17 10-Rope
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.14 dB      2:59 11-Sunshine
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Number of tracks:  11
Official DR value: DR11

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           784 kbps
Codec:             FLAC
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[Progressive]

Scusate ma non li conosco, non l'ho capito.

[one4seven]

@Progressive Segui il link > https://www.ondarock.it/pietremiliari/low_icould.htm

 

Low - I Could Live In Hope, a questo link su Qobuz > https://www.qobuz.com/it-it/album/i-could-live-in-hope-low/0094637442753

 

 

[Pinkflo]

Deep Purple in vinile, DR ottimo.

 

Analyzed: Deep Purple /  Turning To Crime
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR12      -0.80 dB   -14.28 dB      2:29 01-7 And 7 Is
DR12      -1.27 dB   -14.76 dB      3:15 02-Rockin' Pnemonia And Boogie Woogie Flu
DR11      -0.95 dB   -15.35 dB      4:30 03-Oh Well
DR11      -1.00 dB   -12.96 dB      4:37 04-Jenny Take A Ride!
DR12      -1.41 dB   -15.03 dB      3:03 05-Watching The River Flow
DR12      -1.57 dB   -15.77 dB      4:21 06-Let The Good Times Roll
DR12      -1.23 dB   -15.40 dB      4:44 07-Dixie Chicken
DR12      -1.40 dB   -14.56 dB      3:40 08-Shapes Of Things
DR12      -1.02 dB   -15.40 dB      2:52 09-The Battle Of New Orleans
DR13      -1.00 dB   -15.39 dB      3:44 10-Lucifer
DR11      -1.17 dB   -13.66 dB      4:54 11-White Room
DR11      -1.00 dB   -14.32 dB      7:46 12-Caught In The Act
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Number of tracks:  12
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        192000 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   24
Bitrate:           9216 kbps
Codec:             PCM

 

[Pinkflo]

Il livello di compressione pare accettabile, non c'è accanimento da loudness war, magari per Pawn Hearts (il mio preferito) qualcosa in più avrei gradito, ma alla fine basta che suonino bene e che non ci sia stupido appiattimento.

 

Van der Graaf Generator, The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other, 2021

 

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10       0.00 dB   -12.76 dB      7:28 01-Darkness (11/11) (Remastered 2021)
DR10      -0.22 dB   -13.90 dB      6:22 02-Refugees (Remastered 2021)
DR10       0.00 dB   -13.19 dB      8:16 03-White Hammer (Remastered 2021)
DR11      -0.01 dB   -14.38 dB      6:08 04-Whatever Would Robert Have Said? (Remastered 2021)
DR13      -0.14 dB   -15.50 dB      4:06 05-Out Of My Book (Remastered 2021)
DR9        0.00 dB   -11.53 dB     11:31 06-After The Flood (Remastered 2021)
DR10       0.00 dB   -14.81 dB      5:20 07-Refugees (7" Single Version / Remastered 2021)
DR10      -0.05 dB   -12.93 dB      3:53 08-The Boat Of A Million Years (Remastered 2021)
DR10      -2.17 dB   -13.49 dB      6:52 09-Darkness (11/11) (Live BBC Radio One "Top Gear Session" / 1970)
DR10      -1.52 dB   -13.39 dB     10:58 10-After The Flood (Live BBC Radio One "Top Gear Session" / 1970)
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Number of tracks:  10
Official DR value: DR10

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           815 kbps
Codec:             FLAC

Van der Graaf Generator, H To He Who Am The Only One, 2021

 

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10       0.00 dB   -12.70 dB      8:20 01-Killer (Remastered 2021)
DR11      -0.63 dB   -15.13 dB      6:33 02-House With No Door (Remastered 2021)
DR11      -0.06 dB   -14.12 dB      8:17 03-The Emperor In His War Room (Remastered 2021)
DR11      -0.01 dB   -13.64 dB     11:13 04-Lost (Remastered 2021)
DR10       0.00 dB   -14.14 dB     12:45 05-Pioneers Over C (Remastered 2021)
DR10      -2.31 dB   -13.76 dB      8:20 06-Killer (First Version)
DR10      -2.06 dB   -14.20 dB      8:17 07-The Emperor In His War Room (First Version)
DR10      -1.54 dB   -12.94 dB      7:34 08-Killer (Live BBC Radio One "Top Gear Session" / 1970)
DR10      -0.71 dB   -12.58 dB     11:32 09-Lost (Live BBC Radio One "Top Gear Session" / 1970)
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Number of tracks:  9
Official DR value: DR10

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           522 kbps
Codec:             FLAC

Van der Graaf Generator, - Pawn Hearts, 2021

 

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10       0.00 dB   -13.62 dB     11:40 01-Lemmings (Including Cog) (Remastered 2021)
DR10       0.00 dB   -12.78 dB     10:23 02-Man-Erg (Remastered 2021)
DR9        0.00 dB   -12.72 dB     23:09 03-A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers (Remastered 2021)
DR9        0.00 dB   -12.48 dB     11:12 04-ManErg (Sounds Of The 70s Session / 1971)
DR9        0.00 dB   -10.79 dB      2:59 05-Theme One (Sounds Of The 70s Session / 1971)
DR12      -0.01 dB   -15.82 dB      3:15 06-Vision (Sounds Of The 70s Session / 1971)
DR8        0.00 dB   -10.57 dB      7:18 07-Darkness (Sounds Of The 70s Session / 1971)
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Number of tracks:  7
Official DR value: DR9

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           891 kbps
Codec:             FLAC

Van der Graaf Generator, The Quiet Zone, The Pleasure Dome, 2021

 

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR12       0.00 dB   -14.57 dB      4:31 01-Lizard Play (Remastered 2021)
DR12      -0.01 dB   -15.63 dB      4:38 02-The Habit Of The Broken Heart (Remastered 2021)
DR13      -0.02 dB   -16.67 dB      6:04 03-The Siren Song (Remastered 2021)
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.99 dB      6:16 04-Last Frame (Remastered 2021)
DR12      -0.11 dB   -16.36 dB      3:15 05-The Wave (Remastered 2021)
DR13       0.00 dB   -16.94 dB      5:20 06-Cat’s Eye / Yellow Fever (Running) (Remastered 2021)
DR13       0.00 dB   -15.11 dB      5:57 07-The Sphinx In The Face (Remastered 2021)
DR13      -0.01 dB   -16.48 dB      6:11 08-Chemical World (Remastered 2021)
DR12       0.00 dB   -15.26 dB      1:20 09-The Sphinx Returns (Remastered 2021)
DR10      -3.03 dB   -14.49 dB      3:25 10-Door (Remastered 2021)
DR13      -0.11 dB   -14.18 dB      3:47 11-Ship Of Fools (Remastered 2021)
DR16      -0.12 dB   -19.97 dB      3:14 12-The Wave (Demo Version)
DR12      -1.02 dB   -16.27 dB      4:48 13-Cat's Eye / Yellow Fever (Running) (BBC Radio One John Peel Session / 1977)
DR12       0.00 dB   -13.67 dB      5:35 14-The Sphinx In The Face (BBC Radio One John Peel Session / 1977)
DR12      -0.02 dB   -14.79 dB      9:28 15-(Fragments Of) A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers / Sleepwalkers (BBC Radio One John Peel Session / 1977)
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Number of tracks:  15
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           858 kbps
Codec:             FLAC

Van der Graaf Generator, Pawn Hearts (New Stereo Mix), 2021

 

DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR10       0.00 dB   -13.62 dB     11:41 01-Lemmings (Including Cog) (New Stereo Mix 2021)
DR9        0.00 dB   -12.50 dB     10:24 02-Man-Erg (New Stereo Mix 2021)
DR8        0.00 dB   -10.87 dB     23:23 03-A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers (New Stereo Mix 2021)
DR8        0.00 dB    -9.66 dB      3:13 04-Theme One (New Stereo Mix 2021)
DR7        0.00 dB   -12.24 dB      4:36 05-W (New Stereo Mix 2021)
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Number of tracks:  5
Official DR value: DR9

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           784 kbps
Codec:             FLAC

 

[Progressive]

Io ho "H to He Who Am the Only One", "Pawn Hearts" e "Still Life" e per me si sentono molto bene, sia nel nuovo Mix che nel mix originale, non sono compressi come le edizioni 2005.

Se siete interessati posto le forme d'onda.

[ediate]

@Progressive

42 minuti fa, Progressive ha scritto:

"Pawn Hearts" e "Still Life"

Di questi due ho gli LP.... 😇 ...dell'epoca, nessuna rimasterizzazione digitale. Si sentono molto bene.

[one4seven]

3 ore fa, ediate ha scritto:

nessuna rimasterizzazione digitale

Eh però... secondo me non c'era da perdersi i DSD flat trasfer Giappo, usciti sia in SHM-SACD che in SHM-CD Platinum nel 2015. Per quanto mi riguarda, riversamenti definitivi.

 

• 1970 The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other; DR11
• 1970 H To He Who Am The Only One; DR12
• 1971 Pawn Hearts; DR12
• 1975 Godbluff; DR12
• 1976 Still Life; DR12
• 1976 World Record; DR13
• 1977 The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome DR15

[Pinkflo]

9 minuti fa, one4seven ha scritto:

Per quanto mi riguarda, riversamenti definitivi.

ok il DR, ma al lato ascolto c'è un miglioramento?

[Progressive]

@one4seven ma hai fatto un confronto ascoltando le edizioni 2015 vs 2021 o ti basi sui numeri? 

[one4seven]

@Progressive @Pinkflo3 Ho scritto "i numeri" perchè siamo nel 3d dei numeri 😄

Al netto dei numeri, secondo me, i riversamenti flat giapponesi sono difficilmente battibili, quantomeno per "naturalezza".

Senza nulla togliere al nuovo lavoro uscito da poco, che è più che buono.